Man, this stuff is the sh-t! I know there've been many 'ביצועים' of this song, but you gotta' admit ain't nobody do 'שחרחורת' like Shlomo Bar! (..he looks really young in that video, no?)
I personally grew up with this stuff, but haven't heard this particular song in quite a while..I looked it up in Green Bay, but it seemed like at the time nobody downloaded that particular video to 'YouTube', but it seems like someone added it recently, ...and anyway I a) have nothing to post, and b) haven't posted a video in a while, so...
About the song: It turns out it's actually a Hebrew translation (same tune though) of an old Ladino folk 'Romance'. It was translated by משה אלימלך, and I suppose became part of Israeli Music in the 60's and 70's because of people like Esther Ofarim, and because there was somewhat of a Ashkenazi movement to 'beautify middle easternism'.
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שחרחורת - לדינו עממי
שחרחורת יקראוני צח היה עורי
ומלהט שמש קיץ בא לי שחורי
שחרחורת יפיפית כל כך
בעינייך אש בוערת ליבי כולו שלך
שחרחורת יקראוני כל יורדי הים
אם עוד פעם יקראוני שוב אלך איתם
שחרחורת יקראני בן לאב מוֹלך
אם עוד פעם יקראני אחריו אלך
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For the Babysitter!:
109 comments:
That reeks of stereotyping.
Change the title. I expect more from you. (You better not be rolling your eyes. And I don't appreciate that "blah blah blah" either.)
"And I don't appreciate that "blah blah blah" either"- Oh, you mean like I'd be saying "blah blah" as mocking what you're saying. (correct?).
Yeah, but don't you get it Rachel? That's what the song is about; I'm trying to be a little homorous for people who 'get it'!
Correct.
You mean that was satire?
um, I don't know if 'satire' is the word here..it's just trying to be z little 'edgy' (I don't know if that's the word either!) for people who ndersatand the words of the song..
hehe, you think I can't understand the words?
No, I know you can. Which is why I'm not sure what you're getting at!
Now I'm confused about what you're confused about. Let's look at my first comment:
re-stereotyping... DARK girls.
re-title... it's a bit.. raunchy.
Clear?
..no. Don't kill me! It's meant to be funny!
...I'm not sure we're getting anywhere!
What? Me and Rachel on a tree? Na man, she wouldn't 'sit on a tree' with me if her life depended on it! ..what do your 'einikelach' teach you? (you don't mean us do you?!) : P
Y'know, if I had just seen Sabra's comment, I would've been confused. But now that I saw Shlomo's comment I'm confused and sick.
"But now that I saw Shlomo's comment I'm confused and sick"- You should be happy, 'confused sicko' is my general state of being!
Sephardic girls, Sephardic girls- notice nobody said they like the song!
And by the way; Look, I'm dissing people for not understanding the song, and I myself just figured something out(!); It says "שחרחורת יקראני בן לאב מוֹלך", I wasn't sure what that meant, but now I think that לאב מוֹלך is could be a verb 'a father who is 'molech'', in other words a father who commits sacrificial acts to 'molech' (a form of idolatry mentioned in the Torah in which people used to sacrifice their first born into a fire). 'They' would say that, obviouslt, as a form of dissing him/her by saying they're 'too blackened'..
very cool music, it's amazing. I would love to try out that banging thing, I forgot what it's called.
I have no clue what the song was about though.
So wait, your saying that the song was about the title?
Hey babysitter. I had the feeling you'd be bringing you're non-Hebrew vibes here at some point! : P
Well, it's a bit complicated textually, being that it's somewhat based on a well known theme from 'Shir Hashirim', but also, since the origional wasn't Hebrew, it's difficult to say the motive of the auther was that religious..
Basically the song is
Umm, before I start, I want to mention something about Hebrew which is different from many other languages; and that is when you 'double' a word, into one word. Like "איך" can become "איכה", and can also become "איככה" which is really very subtle). Same thing with "ירקרק" and "אדמדם" ('very' green and 'very' red). So also very "שחור" is "שחרחר" ("שחרחורת" for a girl).
Anyway, (as in the first chapter of Shir Hashirim) 'the girl' is saying that people are calling her 'black', but they don't know that "I used to be fair, but from the rays of summer sun my skin became black".
She ends up getting reinsured by 'the guy' (all (Ladino) 'Romances' have a girl and a guy (in a diolouge)..like Shir Hashirim). The guy tells her "black [one], you're so beautiful (again, "יפיפית", a double-play on "יפה"), you're eyes are fire burning in my heart, etc. etc. (I don't know if I want to get into PG-13 stuff with you- you are a babysitter after all!!).
So: yes. 'Black and beautiful', 'Sehardic girls', sort of synonomous..(sorry for all that grammar stuff by the way).
Oh, and you can try bangin' bongos, but no way way in hell you're gonna do it like Shlomo Bar (you just don't have the hair for it!)..
I should mention, I suppose, that Shlomo Bar's music (even this one which has sort of a 'romantic' theme) was a direct response to the negativity showed towards Jews from Arab countries in the first few decades of Israels existance (Jews who mainly came from places like Yemen and the mountanous parts of Morocco..who were dark. ..Bar himself is 'from the mountains).
Shlomo, I really don't like this song. And this Shlomo Bar gives me the creeps.
You like "old man music." I mean that in the kindest way possible, really. ;)
"'the girl' is saying that people are calling her 'black', but they don't know that "I used to be fair, but from the rays of summer sun my skin became black"."
Not only "racist" (ya, I know sephardic girls don't comprise of a race) but now you're calling THEM (not "us")insecure about their skin too! *SOBS* Down with this post!
;)
What's with the bacteria obsession?
"Shlomo, I really don't like this song"- You're entitled. ..I don't much like Ivri Leider either, so..
"And this Shlomo Bar gives me the creeps."- Don't worry, he gives everyone the creeps; he's ok with it!
"You like "old man music." "- No, I like 'young' music too (though if I was caught listening to something 'too' young (like, along the lines of 'the Jonas Brothers' or something), I would actually be a bit embarassd. ..if I was actually listening to the Jonas brothers I'd be gay!)
But as it stands at the moment, I'm actually sort of proud(!) of the variety of musical interest I have...make fun of me if you want..
(As an aside, I actually consider music like this a little 'modern'!)
"Not only "racist" (ya, I know sephardic girls don't comprise of a race) but now you're calling THEM (not "us")insecure about their skin too!"- In older societies (among people who were never really exposed to Africans), I think darker people were somewhat looked down upon because it meant they were peasants (who spent all their time in the sun). Only later on in America, for example, was having a tan 'cool'.
But the whole skin color thing is much more meaningful than that..as I mentioned, it's mostly a quotation from Shir Hashirim. And what's the problem, in the end the guy thinks she's hot anyway!
"Down with this post!"- Hm! Anarchist!
"What's with the bacteria obsession?"- Forgive me; I don't know what the hell you're talking about. (?)
Your erased post.
Tit for tat?
You both took down a post. Ahem..
Oh. Haha. Word wasn't working so well for me.. anyway, I sort of rather read white words on a black background than vice-versa..
What does "samech tes" stand for? (At the end of your long heb. name.)
Mishmum, there's a difference: my post was titled "temporary post" (and it wasn't really meant to be read anyway).
Shlomo, if you're going to get back into this blog color controversy... your white text on black background makes me tear if I look at it too long.
you both have horrible colors
Well it could be you guys have the wrong bloody contrasts on your screens or something! Anyway, all I was saying is that sometimes it's easier for me to read stuff when I post it here than on a 'Word' document (Re: bacteria).
you're wrong
By the way, did you guys check out that 'Esther Ofarim' link? If you're not so into Shlomo Bar's singing, she's there singing the same song, but with a different 'mood'..
Yikes I have a million comments to go through!
Shlomo: lol!
Very interesting about the doubling, I never noticed that.
I remember that possuk.
lol, yea, I don't really like going above PG-13. But what your talking about now is from the song or the posuk? cause my prof said that Shir Hashirim is like a pornographic work.
I don't think Sepharic girls are really that dark. But yea, they are beautiful, which is funny, cause just today a lady was talking about it with me. She was talking about Obama and how the blacks were voting for him, and somehow it came up to skin color. She said that her father had gone threw persecution and prejudice in 10 countries because of his race. So he had taught her not to be racist, so she said when she was a kid she was brought up to never notice skin color. Then she mentioned two girls I know that are Sephardi and beautiful.
So their called bongos? for some reason I thought it had a different name...but yea I don't think I can ever do it as well as him. His name sounds a bit familiar. Maybe you mentioned him in a different post beforehand.
That's cool that he made a song to deal with that issue, the media is great at influencing people to believe in certain ways, so I'm sure it did it's job.
Rachel: he gives me the creeps too, something about his face, he looks like someone from ages ago.
Shlomo: why would you be gay for listening to the Jonas Brothers? It's actually funny, I never knew they were a real band before. I had seen them on one of Hanah Mantannah episodes, and she went crazy over them, and I thought it was all part of the show, that they were a fake band that was acting. But turns out their real. I never heard any of their stuff yet though.
Rachel: Why would you publish a temporary post?
Shlomo: I hadn't checked out the 'Esther Ofarim' link, but I'll check it out now, might sound better, and I might understand it better now that I know what it's about
ms. babysitter: "my prof said that Shir Hashirim is like a pornographic work"- His mind is probably a pornographic work. What kind of proffesor was that anyway?
"I don't really like going above PG-13"- I hope that doesn't negatively affect your future marriage! ; )
"what your talking about now is from the song or the posuk?"-
Song of Solomon 1 (5-6): "I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me..".
"But yea, they are beautiful"- I agree. Though a lot of Ashkenazi girls are pretty hot too.. : )
..intersting story..
"So their called bongos?"- Maybe those particular names are African drums. I don't really know all the names either..
"That's cool that he made a song to deal with that issue"- His other songs of that era were more influential (for example his song urging people to have more kids. ..Sephardim were seen as being poor in Israel at that time partly because they had 'too many kids').
"why would you be gay for listening to the Jonas Brothers?"- where's Rachel when you need her?! ..umm, because they're gay...they're just like so very gay..I mean, like, only 12 year old girls listen to them. ..even my 12 year old (girl) cousins don't listen to them!
"I had seen them on one of Hanah Mantannah episodes"- OMG! You watch Hannah Montana?! That's gay even for a girl!
By the way, I put up a link for you (babysitter) at the end of the post.
Shlomo: It's a her, and she's my prof for my Jewish classics class. So she mentioned that there was controversy whether or not shir Hashirim should be included when it was canonized, and R' Akiva said that it was the holyiest of holy, so it was included. But they questioned whether it should be included because of the supposedly graphic details. I had never realized that it included such stuff, then when we read passages from it, I had my artscroll translation and they had other versions of the bible, and I realized that mine was edited so that it shouldn't be that way. In one place where the Hebrew says one thing, the English will say something else, and the English will say Love and Devotion to Torah, even though by the Hebrew it doesn't say Torah and may say something else.
lol, I mean in discussion, I think it's a private thing that shouldn't be talked about as if it's street talk.
ahh I see, so that part was from the song then, when it was talking to the "black" girl.
lol, yea, everyone is pretty because Hashem made them!
o, cool, I like him for writing such a song influencing people to have more kids, we need modern singers to write such songs.
Ok, I'll have to check them out to figure out what you mean.
lol, but I love Disney stuff, I love Hanah Mantanah, she's so cute.
Ok, I'll check out your link.
"where's Rachel when you need her?!"- Suleiman, how am I an expert at explaining how Jonas Bros. are gay?
(btw, we all DO know that they just ARE.)
Sabra- EXCUSE ME, my colors are great!
Babysitter: "Why would you publish a temporary post?" Mmmm, had to say something I couldn't say in reality but didn't want to be exposed too long.
Shlomo: Thanx for those links.
I was reading the Hebrew, and it sounded so familiar, we had to memorize that for seminary. We went all into the posukkim that I forgot what the posuk actually said and what was commentary.
btw, the lady sounds much better. Although it does sound a bit chazzunish.
Rachel: Ok, I understand, like sending out something to cyberspace to get it out, and that does the job, so that it doesn't have to be kept up.
Rachel is right, what is up with the Bacterial obsession, was that a copy and paste from wiki?
ahh so I see, that's funny, you can always copy it to something else besides for word to read it better. You can copy it to google docs.
(Really, can you put it back up? I like bacteria- er, reading about it.)
A grandmother told me today that they named her grandkid Suleiman! SULEIMAN! At least it was only his middle name. Really, though, it might be dorkish, but between you and me, its also awesomely awesome... only because it evokes thoughts of Suleiman the Magnificent (I'm not yet sure if I like this sultan, though). Just sharing.
I mean, 'Suleiman' is just Arabic for 'Shlomo', so 'Solomon' is no different..(or any other Anglisation).
And 'no'! I'm not putting te bacteria thing back up! Go get your bacteria fix elsewhere! ..as it happens I'm posting that stuff on another blog now (that's closed for readership).
(Imagine if it was open; I'd get comments like "hey, that was cool what you wrote about bacteria there"!).
Oh, I also wanted to say that some Iranian Jews are like REALLY into Persian culture (there are parents who make their kids read Rumi at their Bar Mitzvas!).
What's Rumi?
Okay Chevra, you want info. on bacteria?? Here is part one, tell me if you wnat more...Bacteria are classified according to their effect on humans in the following categories:
Harmful or disease-causing bacteria are known as pathogenic bacteria or pathogens, and cause various diseases in humans, animals and plants. A person cannot see, smell or taste pathogenic microorganisms in food, but can become very ill from them. Food contaminated with pathogenic bacteria has no change in taste, smell or appearance, and is difficult to identify. Victims of food-borne illness usually do not detect any change in the taste of the food that sickened them.
Undesirable bacteria, which cause decomposition of food, are often referred to as putrefying bacteria. These bacteria accelerate the decay and decomposition of food. Spoiled food is easy to identify by changes in the color, taste, odor and texture of the food. However, spoiled food is not a cause of food-borne illness. Because of obvious changes in smell and color, spoiled food rarely ends up being eaten.
Beneficial bacteria are used in the production of various foods, including cultured milk, yogurt, cheese and sauerkraut.
Benign bacteria are neither helpful nor harmful to humans. Of the hundreds of thousands of strains of bacteria, most fall in this category.
rachel: Ancient Iranian-Muslim poetry. See Wikipedia if you like..
: ): WTF??!
Shlomo: "Imagine if it was open; I'd get comments like "hey, that was cool what you wrote about bacteria there"!"
lol, I would have wrote that!
smiliey face: that sounds familiar from the post.
Get the bar of soap out!
Shriki - didn't we discuss this before?? There are young ladies here!
mishmum: What? You mean there aren't enough 'booze' around? I don't remember discussing that.. and anyway, the comments are weird enough as it is, I don't even want to see what they would look like if we were all drunk!
Uh..you mean you're all sober now?
Shlomo: I think it's because you said "WTF"?
Mishmum: do you have a blog that I'm not aware of?
babysitter: "Shlomo: I think it's because you said "WTF"?"- Well, I can see you definitely haven't been drinking!
Y'know, if you actually listen to the song while also reading the comments you'll probably laugh harder than a brown hyena in the African savannahs. The creepiness of the song and the...uh, disconnectedness of the comments are an oddly satisfying combination.
Rumi... read wikipedia. Persian in that sense isn't necessarily Iranian. And why at a bar mitzvah!?
(...just remembered I wanted to show you something on sufi music.)
Bacteria. Mishmum, you're a nurse?
Rachel - Don't you know a Mum is everything. Nurse, if need be too. Nah, I just memorized Shriki's whole bacteria post. You want more? hehe....
And you are SO right about the commments... too nutty....
So shrik, what does samech tes stand for?
Sepharadi Tahor.
(Ya, I realize I'm not "Shrik." But, eh.... I'm just giving over info he taught me anyway.)
OH. Shkoyach Ms. Rachel.
Now what does that really mean? That he is a pure Sephardi? Or a pure, Sefardi?
Hey, why did I spell it differently? I don't know.
Same thing.
Not sephard. Sephardi.
I hate it when it's spelled with an F. (I add this extra info for the mere pleasure of adding to the nuttiness.)
Oy you are too funny. I literally lol 'ed and husband asked, "What's so funny?"
No it's not the same thing.
Is he a pure Sephardi? Meaning both parents grandparents etc.. are Sepharadim? Or is Shrik pure, and happens to be a Sepharadi?
I made sure to spell'm all with the "ph"... :)
Heehee.
I'm tempted to say he's as pure as a freshly powdered baby's tush, but I'll leave that for him to answer.
Ya, I know you love that comparison, Shlomo. ;)
HEEEHEEEE!!!!
Shlomo - Has she been drinking??
:D :D
Enough with Shlomo here. Mosey on down to my blog and place your vote... please.
I just memorized Shriki's whole bacteria post.
Came out of bed to say that that is not true. I did not memorize it...
Haha. Why do you guys always talk about me when I'm not around?!
Wow. 60 comments!
mishmum: You should know Rachel has far from as much 'info. up her sleeve' to answer a question like the one you pose as I would!
Well, strangely enough, it seems two of my blog-discussions about this particular point with people are still up on the internet, you can just read them there.
My first was on a post from almost a year ago, and my second was on a blog which I very much endorse, but unfortunately don't find myself having enough time to read myself. Now, I don't know how to make a link here, so I'll just put up the URLs..
1)https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6198929088649595361&postID=2889397632136540966
2)http://yediah.blogspot.com/2008/06/rationale-for-many-detailed-rules.html#comments
"Now what does that really mean? That he is a pure Sephardi?"- My father is from a rabbinic Moroccan family (of Spanish decent), and my mother is from a rabbinic Chasidic/Polish family. I, thankfully, was born in Israel. In a way I'm racially kind of like Obama- an amalgamation of the two sects (which I think is a nice thing to have when Jews from so many parts have returned to Israel).
...the Chida, by the way, was also "half Ashkenazi, half Sefaradi", and wrote the ס"ט after his name.
"Shlomo - Has she been drinking??"- טוב לב משתה תמיד כתיב (For the less erudite among us!: It says (Proverbs 15.15) "he that is of a merry heart hath a continual feast", which can also be translated "it's good when one's heart is always intoxicated"...suggesting of course that Rachel is perpetually intoxicated!).
Rachel: "he's as pure as a freshly powdered baby's tush, but I'll leave that for him to answer. Ya, I know you love that comparison, Shlomo."- I actually find that leaves me feeling somewhat warm and fuzzy inside!
I did not memorize it? Mmmmhmmm.
Rabbinic? Fancy.
Perpetually intoxicated? Too many responses to choose from.
Warm and Fuzzy? I think you just equated yourself to belly lint, Suleiman.
Y'know, I just took a look at that first link and I must say I'm ashamed of how I've perverted your commenting section.
And your a "black" supremicist.
Okay, NOW I'm done with this comment-perversion habit of mine.
heyyyyy! how come nobody invited ME to this fest??
honestly, it wasn't TOO wacky. rachel brought in a rather STRANGE comparison for shlomo's purity status. mishmum should advance from nurse to doctor. babysitter is refreshing in her innocence. sePHardim are honored by my 'o city of spain' post.
all's well that end's well.
Who thinks that fish cough?
Shlomo: to insert a link you type what I'm tying:
name of link
Sabra: Fish cough? connection?
Shlomo: ok, doesn't let me type the code without transferring it to a link.
So you type:
a = href "url" name of link
before the a you type <
then after the quotes you type >
then after the name of the link you type < /a > (without the spaces)
Rachel:"Warm and Fuzzy? I think you just equated yourself to belly lint, Suleiman"- Ha.
Yes, yes, my blog has gone from a couple of intelectuals sitting around smiking pipes and sipping at wine, while discussing all the unaswered quandries of life, to a bunch of guys sitting around, smoking maijuana and making innane jokes at one another!
; )
...don't worry, I'm ok with the latter!
sabra: I swear by 100 pounds that I've seen fish cough with my own eyes!
babysitter: Oh, why thank you!
puku-papa
Very well, but if this doesn't come out right it's your head babysitter!
....but I don't get it.. ..puku-papa is linked to nothing...after all those funny letters.. ..what could it be? (..it's good I didn't go into programming!)
ok, look at this Site it shows you how.
...don't worry, I'm ok with the latter!
Ok with it??? You're loving it!
:)
Sabra: "honestly, it wasn't TOO wacky."... Like, I said, you have to read it with the music ON.
Babysitter, how DO you know that and how do you have that link code memorized?
Rachel: It's not so hard once you understand it.
I learned it a couple of years ago, in my first college class!
I actually made a annoying little site using a bunch of the stuff I had learned how to do from my computer class.
Get Flattered
Rachel, chill--I know it also. Now, had you read every single comment of mine on my blog, you woulda KNOWN. But! For some reason, you REFUSE to memorize my comments! What is up with THAT, woman??
Shrikio, ye unfortunately (re ur blog)..happens to many blogs. And I agree w/ mishmum--you LOVE it.
Rachel and I will continue with our individual awesome blogs. And since we allowed u into our clique a while back (hey listen, EVERYONE makes mistakes!), you can still post on the 'Places To Go' blog. BUT your posts will have to be moderated by either Rachel, Mishmum, or myself.
It sounds harsh but what can I say? I don't make the rules around here.
shriks-you don't needa swear. i know they do.
I'm comment #80. I think we hit a record of sorts.
Sabra, which comments on your blog?
I dunno, stam all over. Ok fine, not ALL over. Here and there I've done it myself.
(the reason i bring this up is cuz im still soooooo proud of myself when i do it. learned it from a diff blogger.)
Shlomo, I'm not so sure about how you colored the other blog.
Sabra, I woulda known if I memorized your comments and your proud you memorize comments and huh? Apparently, fish DO cough.
I'm proud when I link like that. Post a link in a comment.
And yes, fish cough.
I can't.
I wonder if it will go up to 100...
Can you sneeze? Can you skip?
Rachel: it's really not hard to link. Did you look at the site I linked to? copy and paste code into a comment, and then just put a different url and name for it, it's so easy. You can do it.
*SOBS* NO! No, I can't. You just don't get it. It's just so darn difficult for me. Everything is just so hard. *SOBS*
Okay, I'm done with the drama queen stuff.
If you're going to do a whole copy-paste just to make a fancy link, wouldn't it just be simpler to copy-paste the url even if it does look uglier?
Rachel: well only in the beginning you would copy and paste, then once you realize how easy it is you won't have to copy and paste and it will come naturally.
Plus, if you don't link it then you can't click on it, and it's annoying to have to copy and paste it into the address bar.
The little train that could
Rachel: Yay! You did it!
Great title too :-)
oops, you almost did it, you just had a extra http://
Yes, i realized, hold on...
"Okay, I'm done with the drama queen stuff."
Are you really, Rachel?
Are you really done with it?
I want you to think about it, my friend.
Failure to launch.
Let's make a party YAYAYAYA!
הצעיר שלמה בן רפאל לבית שריקי ס"ט-
time to move this party elsewhere. i hate seeing the post title as subject in my inbox, every time.
Woohoo! yay Babysitter! If you only know what kind of person you just helped do fancy-computer-thingies, you would know your a greater miracle worker than Annie Sullivan (that's her name, right?)
Ya, Sab. This comment string is getting TIRING. I think I've commented enough for a week.
You're**
Rachel: Yay! :-)
Rachel: Thanx, glad to help.
and yea, I think I got the 100th comment!
-NO MORE COMMENTS HERE-
And one for good luck. 101.
Chriqui, sorry, you're not allowed to comment here. We don't want to mess up the numbers.
OH NO! I was supposed to be 101. Why'd you comment at the same time as I did, SABRA!!?!?!?!?
103 it is.
As a matter of fact, Chriqui, hold off the comments on your entire blog, just for a bit. We're experimenting with something.
er no, its 105 actually.
and ye, i apologize. i saw ur excitement at being a dalmatian...too late :(
and i'm guessing it's 106 at least, by now.
Okay good, now that the numbers are messed up anyhow, I can comment how hysterically meshug this is!!! HEHEEEE
And anyone notice it's four young ladies (shh..sabs) and how many...
I must say, I'm teribally flattered that all of your graceful comments have made this post by far the most commented of my blog.
Though I personally am not 100% done..
mishmum (or whoever): I must know where you got that part of the 'bacteria thing' from! (?)
Why must you know? You want more?
Chevra, help me, what should I barter this info. for?
Yes, we are hotter. ;)
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