tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6198929088649595361.post7974476688935695673..comments2023-10-30T07:03:27.777-07:00Comments on הָאָדָם בְּעוֹלָמוֹ: The Jewהצעיר שלמה בן רפאל לבית שריקי ס"טhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04835340110056405173noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6198929088649595361.post-63725014944664911462009-11-01T19:49:15.905-08:002009-11-01T19:49:15.905-08:00*he'd* pick.*he'd* pick.הצעיר שלמה בן רפאל לבית שריקי ס"טhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04835340110056405173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6198929088649595361.post-48747008846876389222009-11-01T19:48:49.838-08:002009-11-01T19:48:49.838-08:00"I don't see anything 'wrong' wit..."I don't see anything 'wrong' with the way Arab sounds in English, unless it is in the tone of voice the speaker uses"- I still disagree, friend. I feel that the sound itself is unflattering. If an English speaker had the choice to be called either "Arab" or "Christian" without having any knowledge of the meaning of either word, I'm afraid he's pick the latter.<br /><br />"That's pretty much what it is though. Christians = followers of Jesus _____"- Yes, obviously. What I was trying to point out though was that the speaker here has no sympathy to what they're 'actually' called, and just calls them by their leader (though that is a horrible example, since all they are is followers of the Nazarene. For Muslims it's offensive to suggest divinity to Muhammad).<br /><br />"In Russian, Jew is 'Ivrey'"- Oh man, I knew I was making some mistake! I've got to brush-up on my Russian!הצעיר שלמה בן רפאל לבית שריקי ס"טhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04835340110056405173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6198929088649595361.post-91770410700132019402009-11-01T18:46:31.533-08:002009-11-01T18:46:31.533-08:00I'm with kisarita on this one.
"Like &...I'm with kisarita on this one. <br /><br />"Like "Arab", in English it sounds...well it doesn't sound quite flattering, and it rhymes with words like "crab"." -- I'm sorry, but that is one of the most childish arguments I have ever heard. I don't see anything 'wrong' with the way Arab sounds in English, unless it is in the tone of voice the speaker uses.<br /><br />"It's kind of like calling Christians "Jesus people"" -- That's pretty much what it is though. Christians = followers of Jesus _____. <br /><br />"In Russian it's "Ivreski" (Hebrew) which is also not so bad." -- In Russian, Jew is 'Ivrey,' the plural of which is 'Ivreyi.' 'Ivreski' is the adjective form -- 'Jewish.'inkstainedhandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09981049559995351307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6198929088649595361.post-16948296729645735732009-10-29T09:30:58.004-07:002009-10-29T09:30:58.004-07:00"it's representative of a great ignorance..."it's representative of a great ignorance of Islam to call them only by the name of their follower"- Name of their "prophet" I think I meant to say. ..gotta start reading before publishing...הצעיר שלמה בן רפאל לבית שריקי ס"טhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04835340110056405173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6198929088649595361.post-17457917365698265112009-10-29T09:29:01.921-07:002009-10-29T09:29:01.921-07:00Whoops, "Yes, that's what I meant to say,...Whoops, "Yes, that's what I meant to say, without the D I don't really think of [מלכות יהודה]." Left out the Hebrew there.הצעיר שלמה בן רפאל לבית שריקי ס"טhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04835340110056405173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6198929088649595361.post-2184591339422180042009-10-29T09:27:39.112-07:002009-10-29T09:27:39.112-07:00Hey. First of all, thanks for reading : ), I know ...Hey. First of all, thanks for reading : ), I know my style is a little unreadable.<br /><br />Secondly: "Jew (Judio) is the most flattering name I can think of; it comes from Tanakh and refers to the kingdom of Judah...i suppose in English, which leaves the D out for some reason, it doesn't evoke Judah as much as the spanish or german"- Yes, that's what I meant to say, without the D I don't really think of . Though even "H'udio", if it's used in a derogative context it's not so good. Like "Arab", in English it sounds...well it doesn't sound quite flattering, and it rhymes with words like "crab". Yet in Arabic, "العرب" is evocative of the spiritual and racial purity of Arabia that all Arabs strive for, so...even a proper transliteration can go sour.<br /><br />"and what is so unflattering about mohemmedans????"- Well, it's representative of a great ignorance of Islam to call them only by the name of their follower. It's kind of like calling Christians "Jesus people", or Jews "Moseseans" (which reminds me of an anecdote involving this Haitian chef I worked with who once told me in passing "The Christians believe in Jesus and the Jews, they believe in Moses, right?" As if we deify him. Which, by the way, is why I think the Christians insist on calling the Torah "[The Law of Moses", as if to imply it wasn't really G-d's idea).<br /><br />*ahem*, anyway, calling them by their own name "Musl'min" (משורש המילה לשלמות) is a lot more thoughtful.<br /><br />"i doubt anyone would be very enthusiastic about using the german version."- Well I think "Yood" sounds a lot more like "Yehoodi" than some of the other European names. In Russian it's "Ivreski" (Hebrew) which is also not so bad. But like I said, it's all about intent.הצעיר שלמה בן רפאל לבית שריקי ס"טhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04835340110056405173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6198929088649595361.post-6271452442287959062009-10-29T03:31:21.566-07:002009-10-29T03:31:21.566-07:00i suppose in English, which leaves the D out for s...i suppose in English, which leaves the D out for some reason, it doesn't evoke Judah as much as the spanish or german, but i doubt anyone would be very enthusiastic about using the german version.kisaritahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18181012456635737873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6198929088649595361.post-75466225195378224492009-10-29T03:28:35.867-07:002009-10-29T03:28:35.867-07:00and what is so unflattering about mohemmedans????and what is so unflattering about mohemmedans????kisaritahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18181012456635737873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6198929088649595361.post-42795221624449129422009-10-29T03:28:13.826-07:002009-10-29T03:28:13.826-07:00Jew (Judio) is the most flattering name I can thin...Jew (Judio) is the most flattering name I can think of; it comes from Tanakh and refers to the kingdom of Judah. <br /><br />What other name could possibly represent such historic continuity?<br /><br />Not even Israel, because Judaism descends predominantly from the southern kingdom, not as much the North.kisaritahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18181012456635737873noreply@blogger.com